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Title: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 28, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
Hey Everyone, have you guys been or heard of this place? it's about 15 minutes from where i live and my friends and i went there last night at about 1 in the morning. And this place is freeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It's now abandoned and in a very poor state, i mean it's all smashed up with no windows no doors broken walls. And it's pitch black at night inside you can't even see pass your own hand, and it has a lot of long corridors which split in different directions that have rooms on both sides which are very dark and you can't see what is inside them unless you shine in there with the torch. we didn't end up going all the way inside the building it was just too scary but we are planning to go back there sometime next week with more torches and a video camera perhaps we can get something on video because apparently there is a ghost of a female nurse wondering the premises.

Here is some backround on the place if anyone is interested

http://www.capebanks.org.au/henry.html

and another site of someoneelse experience inside that building which is very interesting


http://www.rameysrealm.com/littlebay.htm



Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: scaredycat on July 28, 2007, 09:49:31 PM
Make sure victor that you seek permission to enter these buildings, as 9 times out of 10 this is private property.

Alot of these older buildings are extremely dangerous so please be extremely careful and respect! Also be in mind that alot of them still have harm contaminated building products that when broken apart they can distribute harmful toxic material into your lungs.

Proceed with caution :)
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: chainz on July 28, 2007, 09:54:06 PM
Would be a good place for photos!
Sounds pretty cool.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 28, 2007, 10:01:25 PM
Thanx SC i've been around the area many times just during the day, and only found out that it was haunted not long ago but definitely will be carefull thanx for your concerns. I'll keep you uptodate if we do end up getting anything on camera :)
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on July 28, 2007, 10:18:09 PM
You need to get permission to access abandoned buildings. It is tresspassing.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: scaredycat on July 28, 2007, 10:42:53 PM
thinking back to the post that states there were security lights, makes you think that they are there for a reason
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 28, 2007, 11:10:50 PM
well if i get arrested i'll let you guys know looool
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: GaryTheDemon on July 29, 2007, 12:09:11 AM
vic - from a legal perspective there are a couple of outcomes that you might encounter:

1. if you or anyone else is injured you will be liable.  that means if you go there with someone else and they are hit by a falling brick, or sniff in some blue asbestos, they can assert that you took them and therefore you would be liable.  as this would involve a civil action there is no onus on proof, just a requirement to convince a jury.  this could result in you losing everything you own.

2. if you are caught trespassing, you could be fined or even jailed - subject to the local cops and how they charge you.

Getting permission from the site owners will fix up problem 2, but for problem 1 you need to get everyone involved to sign an indemnity form that exempts you from liability.

You can laugh it off, and you'll probably be ok, but if you are not then it could impact you for the rest of your life.  It's legal fact.

Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 29, 2007, 05:20:37 AM
Hey Gary thanx for your concern i realise all the risk factors and will be careful about anything we do when we'll go there again. As for getting some sort of desease from that place i don't think there is anything there now because the whole area is a construction area and during the day there is a lot of trucks cars and construction workers working so if there was any danger in that regard then it wouldnt be safe for them to work there. And soon enough that whole building won't be there anyway so best try and get in before the curtain goes down lool.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: GaryTheDemon on July 29, 2007, 12:21:38 PM
My last word on the subject if that some buildings made bit use of stuff like blue asbestos and so you should at least try to see during the day if there are any signs up in terms of warnings.

also, if they are demolishing then the structure will have very unsafe areas.

I am very sure you are careful and i'm probably telling you things you already know, but even a freak accident could devestate your life - even if it happens to someone else.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 29, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
Thanx Gary we'll all be carefull, how has your weekend been?
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: phil52 on July 29, 2007, 07:50:20 PM
i know of this site when it was still a working hospital there were radiotherapy units infectious disease wards .... i am talking nasty infectious crap....so tread warily
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: GaryTheDemon on July 29, 2007, 08:12:12 PM
Weekends are like good movies.  too few, and too short!!!!!

hey - watchout.  there was a movie "tromoman?" - you dont want to get mutated by nuclear waste!
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 29, 2007, 08:14:49 PM
Thanx Phil will do, Tromoman? what is that about? how old is thatr movie? i'll try and find it.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: GaryTheDemon on July 29, 2007, 08:25:27 PM
sorry, i have been eating dumb dumb bullets!  the film was 'the toxic avenger'.  I think it might have been made by troma films.....

:)
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: JulieD on July 29, 2007, 08:36:41 PM
Toxic Avenger was one of my favourite films at the time.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on July 29, 2007, 09:13:04 PM
Oh ok kool, i'll jig it out. than Gary
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on August 02, 2007, 12:26:29 AM
Hey Guys how is everyone doing? Just thought i'd write an update about our visit to the Prince Henry Hospital last night. A couple of my friends and i, we finally ended up going to that abandoned hospital building at about 11:00, 11:30 pm on tuesday night aparently it was also a full moon i didnt noticed though. When we got there it was the usual boring attitude like oh yeah it's dark and scary nothing new so we walked through the main entry of the pitch black hallway which leads to outside backyard type of area in the middle which is surrounded by other smaller hospital building which was the original hospital before the big one was built. Then one of my friends have got a strange feeling when we were standing at that outside area, he said that it felt like he has been there before in the sense that he knew the place like he has been a patient there a long time ago, it was really weird and strange because he started describing things about the hospital and certain places of the area that i don't think you'd find on the internet like that outside area was originally used for burial ground when the patients died and then when they build that new big building they buried dead bodies outside of it, he even showed where they cremated dead bodies and had the morgue as well. Now i don't know whether it was true or not it was still really weird, especially about the ghost nurse that haunts the place. He said that she was killed and pointed at the window of the room on the 2nd floor where she died which he said was the biggest room in the hospital with wooden floors.Then after walking around the area he said that she was either strangled or hanged because his neck was hurting like a rope burn and also got a major head ache as well. Later on when we left the place we had a look at his neck and he had a big red mark on the right hand side of the neck like it was strangled or burned because he kept complaining about the burning sensation on that area. Anyway back to the hospital, we followed him around the area because he said that he was getting a feeling that she was murdered and the reason for her still been around the area is because her body was never found and properly buried and that he felt or getting images as he described it that her body is still around that area which he said he can find and that really freaked us out and so soon there after we decided to leave and call it a night before it got any further and get any more weird. I've called him today and he said in the morning when he woke up that the mark he had looked like it kind of extended like a scratchmark down the right hand side of his neck but now it's all gone and he is fine. He also said that it's not the first time he experienced paranormal things back in his earlier childhood he had few unusual events happen to him. Anyway we plan to go back to that building during the day at some point over this upcoming weekend and check the 2nd floor which he described and see if its true or not. Oh yeah by the way when we went there we didn't have any flash lights or torches so we were walking around in the dark so i guess that could count for something as well as the energy i think is much stronger and doesn't git distracted with the light but i don't i could be wrong.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on August 02, 2007, 01:36:46 AM
Hope you guys enjoy the read
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: catseyes on August 02, 2007, 09:26:55 AM
Its always a good idea to be able to make daytime comparrisons
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: JulieD on August 02, 2007, 10:24:45 AM
I enjoyed reading it.  It would be good if you could verify some of the information about the bodies.  Keep an eye out when they finish demolishing and start digging!
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 01:11:46 PM
Sorry but I cannot participate in encouraging anyone to break the law.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: lotsakids on August 02, 2007, 01:25:19 PM
I think you are doing nothing but asking for trouble going in unauthorized to a consruction/demolition site without knowing the area, in the dead of night with not even the basic of safety equiptment..ie torches.

You are just lucky that you didnt run into trouble or get yourselves injured...or worse.

Secondary to the safety/legal issues..

Its people who do this sort of larking about who make it very hard for those who are serious investigators to gain access to sites through the proper channels, and its THESE people who are the first to come calling for help and whinging when they do get into a situation they cant handle...janine
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: GaryTheDemon on August 02, 2007, 01:47:20 PM
While your experiences are interesting, I can't help but agree with Lotsa and Christine.  You are taking an enormous risk with your own lives as well as with others lives.  Apart from the paranormal angle, there's simple OH&S issues.

For example, in the dark you cannot see warning messages left by demolition teams.

For example, if they have laid wires or something (e.g. for controlled demolition) you may dislodge them.  This could result in a simple case of a grazed knee or a broken leg.  Alternatively, it could cause a controlled demolition to go wrong and injure innocent people.  Alternatively, you could even cause a detonator to activate and main or kill each other.

For example you could be breathing in blue asbestos which is a carcinogen and will cause you to get cancer.  If you dont see the notices then you wont even know.

For example you could find that parts of the building are now unstable and could come crumbling down on you.  How do you determine which bits are actively being demolished?

For example, you may inadvertantly cause some un-scheduled changes which could alter the demolishment(?).  i.e. you might brush against a wall and some plaster may come off revealing previously undetected asbestos. You wouldnt know and would just encounter a deadly carcinogen.  the workers would not have expected the damage and would therefore not necessarily detect it either so they would be a significant risk.

Honestly, while I admire your spirit of adventure and quest for knowledge, you are putting yourself and others at risk and should not be doing this damn silly thing in this damn silly way.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: vict0r81 on August 02, 2007, 02:34:58 PM
Thanx everyone you all make some interesting points which i totally agree with thats why if we are going to go there again it's going to be during the day to see how safe it is in there and to confirm some other things.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:06:15 PM
Still illegal and still tresspassing.
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:10:25 PM
Ghost hunters admit guilt in trespassing
Oakland Tribune,  Feb 6, 2007  by Kelly Pakula
REDWOOD CITY -- Three would-be ghost hunters who claimed they broke into an abandoned Pacifica school in November in search of ghosts pleaded no contest Monday to trespassing.

Kenji Ananda Snow, Sharif Adam and Burhan Husseini, all 18, were arrested on Nov. 23 after Pacifica police caught them on the grounds of the abandoned Fairmont School.

According to Snow's attorney, Eric Liberman, all three defendants pleaded no contest Monday to a trespassing infraction, which requires them to pay a $188 fine. Liberman said the teens will not be required to pay the fine, as it is satisfied by two days the trio spent in jail following their arrests.


"The District Attorney saw the light and appropriately offered a trespassing infraction," Liberman said. "In truth ... they were three nice kids that were sort of playing around. They weren't out to commit a crime."

At the time of their arrest, all three suspects claimed they were members of the Idaho Spirit Seekers Club and were searching for ghosts at the school, according to the San Mateo County District Attorney's Office.

Marie Cuff, executive director of the Idaho Spirit Seekers Club, said the teens aren't members. She said Snow attended one of the club's meetings and participated in an investigation in Idaho. Liberman said Snow admitted to never being a "full-blown, full- fledged member."

Cuff said the 6-year-old, 36-investigator club only conducts investigations in Idaho, Montana and Oregon. She said the group always receives permission to enter a facility prior to beginning an investigation.

Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
Never Trespass on Private Property

By Dave Juliano (davejuliano@theshadowlands.net)


Too many times we see amateur ghost hunters or kids who want a thrill break into abandon buildings and get caught.   Many of these people also vandalize the property.   Abandon houses and buildings are private property.  You are trespassing if you enter the property.   You also degrade the reputations of real investigators in the process.    I encourage anyone who would like to see real research continue to turn in anyone you know of that has trespassed or vandalized something while looking for ghosts.   Most police departments will take anonymous tips and stake out an area if they know there are going to be more illegal entries into a sight.   There are so many places that amateur ghost hunters and thrill seekers can go without trespassing but apparently part of the thrill is the breaking and entering plus the vandalism.   Time after time the finger gets pointed at this website as the reason for the vandalism.   There are disclaimers on all the pages telling people not to trespass.   The people who are responsible are the people who decided to vandalism and trespass, period.   Quite often true researchers and websites are blasted in the news but in rare cases like the one below, the journalists were responsible and respectful enough to get our side of an event.   I appreciate the opportunity they gave researchers to be heard on the subject. 


“Teens’ caper haunts real ghost-hunters”

Marissa Yaremich, New Haven Register Staff
08/26/2005

WEST HAVEN — It’s often difficult enough for professional paranormal researchers to convince skeptics that the intangible world of ghosts and demons exists.
But add a group of thrill-seeking trespassers, stolen booze and the police, as happened here last week, and the field’s credibility suffers tremendously, ghost hunters say.
"It’s upsetting because I put so much time into documenting (the paranormal) and going to these places ... that in a way this is a psychological blow," said Christine Kaczynski, an independent paranormal investigator who says she has documented ghosts and demons nationwide for 30 years.

Last week, police arrested 17 teenagers and young adults on various criminal charges in the break in at the West Haven Buckle Co. based on a Web site’s claim that the site, dubbed "Hell House," is haunted.

Some of the suspects also face burglary and larceny charges because they allegedly broke into a boarded-up restaurant near the Campbell Avenue buckle factory and stole numerous bottles of liquor.

They proceeded to indulge in the alcohol inside the factory as they waited for apparitions to appear, according to police.

With police now on heightened alert for trespassers, Kaczynski said she’s concerned that the group’s illegal actions will affect bona fide paranormal researchers visiting public locations.

"Those kids brought down our credibility a lot, because it will make it more difficult to investigate (public locations)," she said.

Kaczynski is also an organizational member of the New Haven Ghost Trackers, which always obtains permission before accessing sites of paranormal interest, she said.

John Zaffis, also a paranormal investigator and director of the Paranormal Research Center of New England in Stratford, said he too is disappointed by the youths’ so-called ghost-hunting.

"I’m definitely, definitely, not in favor of someone partying or drinking during investigations, as it alters your state (of mind). You need to be very careful during investigations," he said.

In addition to posing a safety danger in an unstable building, Zaffis said such searches mostly lead to unnecessary property damage.

The youths in West Haven, though, were not arrested for damaging property inside the buckle factory.

With more than 1,000 paranormal cases and 32 years of experience behind him, Zaffis said such arrests take away from the scientific importance of paranormal research.

"It’s important to have people with you who understand and are involved in this work, so you don’t get into (such) major situations," said Zaffis, who is a worldwide lecturer and teaches basic ghost-hunting courses at the Paranormal Research Society of New England (www.prsne.com).

The site on which the West Haven youths allegedly based their search, www.shadowlands.net, is reputable among professionals, who often rely on its collections of urban legends, personal ghost sightings and hauntings as a resource, said Kaczynski, who has her own Web site, www.theparanormalfactor.com.

Shadowlands founder and co-director, Dave Juliano, added that "too often" the Web site gets blamed for delinquent actions, despite posting warnings against trespassing.

"I am very glad (the youths) were caught, and hopefully this will remind people to stay out of places unless they have permission" from the property owners, Juliano said in a written statement.

Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:25:27 PM
All souls that haunt this site can expect arrest
By Jenna Russell, Globe Staff  |  October 6, 2005

DANVERS -- They hiked uphill through a field, armed with a video camera in case they spotted anything eerie, a ghost, perhaps. Their destination was the old state mental hospital, which has attracted ghost hunters from around the country.

Matthew Doherty, 34, and his two friends had heard the stories about the haunted hospital, and they wanted to see it for themselves. They found a lone, strangely leafless tree; a cold breeze that seemed to come up out of nowhere; some noises that might have been wind.

And then State Police found them.

The three North Shore men were arrested and charged with trespassing; two of the three pleaded guilty yesterday in Salem District Court and agreed to pay fines and court fees, avoiding the maximum penalty, three months in jail. The third case was continued without a finding.

Danvers State Hospital is a magnet for practiced ghost hunters and dozens of others, like Doherty and his companions, who described themselves in court yesterday as merely curious about the supernatural presence supposedly lurking within the spired, Gothic brick buildings. Such curiosity, in the face of health and safety risks facing interlopers on the property, has been a problem for the state Division of Capital Asset Management, the caretaker for the sprawling 500-acre property, since the facility was emptied of its last patients a dozen years ago.

Other closed state mental hospitals in Massachusetts have attracted thrill-seekers in the decades since patients were shifted to smaller, local treatment centers, part of the national movement away from large state mental hospitals. The suffering of the patients who once lived in these hospitals interests ghost enthusiasts, who believe such settings to be full of troubled and restless spirits.

In Danvers, State Police, aided by 24-hour security guards hired by the state, have made 120 trespassing arrests on the state hospital property in the last five years, a spokesman said.

Doherty and his companions, Ross Gordon of Peabody and Matthew Selecky of Salem, said they are not ghost-hunters. They said they hoped to submit their videotape to a television show that features investigations of the supernatural.

''There was a very negative vibe," Doherty said of the mood on the property. ''It felt like we weren't supposed to be there."

On the edge of the property yesterday, the silence was broken by the buzz of insects in outlying fields and the rush of distant highway traffic. A mattress lay abandoned, and wooden ''No Trespassing" signs hung on massive trees that line a dirt path uphill to the abandoned buildings.

The steady stream of unwanted guests at the hospital may have been spurred by a recent horror movie, ''Session 9," now out on DVD, that was filmed there. It may also reflect the growing number of websites run by hobbyists of the paranormal, many of which feature Danvers State Hospital as a supposedly haunted place.

Christopher Balzano, a 30-year-old librarian from Woburn, runs a three-year-old website, Massachusetts Paranormal Crossroads, which records both ghostly legends and more scientific reports of possible paranormal activity. Reports from visitors to the old Danvers facility are frequent, and sometimes include photographs of orbs or streaks of light, said Balzano, who has not visited the property and advises website visitors not to trespass. He said he looks critically at all reports and believes that the photographs may be explained by conditions in the deteriorating buildings, rather than paranormal phenomena.
The attraction of the old hospital has grown as stories about it have circulated, he said, creating a snowball effect. The evocative visual details of the place -- some trespassers report old gurneys with straps left abandoned in hallways -- contribute to its popularity with ghost-chasers and its power to scare them, Balzano said.

''It's probably the most haunted place in Massachusetts, as far as the strength of its reputation," he said of the Danvers site. ''To me, the most convincing thing is what went on there on a daily basis. How could a place that experienced such sadness not leave something behind?"

Some of the recent trespassers may be seeking one last thrill, realizing that the hospital may not be abandoned for long. This month, the state hopes to finalize a deal with a Virginia development company that plans to buy the Danvers property for $18 million and build about 500 apartments and condominiums, a state official and a company representative said. Only a sizable portion of the Kirkbride Complex, the architectural centerpiece of the facility, will remain.

The new development, by AvalonBay Communities Inc., would also include commercial space, acres of open land, and a hilltop memorial to former hospital patients that will be open to the public. The development will not be gated or guarded, and anyone interested in seeing the restored historic building will be able to drive to it, said Scott Dale, vice president for development.

A well-lighted, perfectly restored Danvers State campus, complete with a swimming pool and a recreation center, may leave ghost hunters less than titillated. But it will not stop them from finding other spooky venues to explore, Balzano said.

''When you're out investigating, whether you see something or not, there's a heightened sense you have that's about as big a rush as you can get," he said.

Jenna Russell can be reached at jrussell@globe.com
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:29:47 PM
Still need convincing?

http://www.memphisghosthunters.com/pdfs/trespassing/wcvb-tv_10-5-05.pdf

http://www.memphisghosthunters.com/pdfs/trespassing/columbus_dispatch_8-24-06.pdf

Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on August 02, 2007, 03:30:39 PM
Deputies bust ghosthunters at Central State


Stephanie Gibson
The Union-Recorder


A group of 11 ghosthunters got their expedition cut short after they were arrested for criminal trespass Saturday night.

 
The Georgia Paranormal Society, operated by Ben and Beth Dedrick of McDuffie County, were on location at the Walker Building at Central State Hospital when their investigation was interrupted by two Baldwin County sheriff’s deputies commanding them to come out of the building.

“We arrived at the Walker building around 9:30 p.m.,” said Ben Dedrick. “About five minutes later, nine of our crew went inside to walk around, and two of us were outside walking the perimeter of the building. The next thing we know, two deputies pull up and put their lights on us and told us to all get out of the building.”

Dedrick said it wasn’t long before 10 more deputies showed up, questioning the group about what they were doing.

Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: andiee on May 09, 2010, 09:51:16 PM
hey man i know im new to this but could one of you please pm me or postback here a address or something i can type into the GPS to get to this place sounds really cool would like to go with a few of my friends weve been all over picton, miller haha looking for ghosts our most scary was picton but ive heard this place is worse .. neway please if some1 could help me would be great thanks!
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Christine on May 09, 2010, 10:08:47 PM
Sorry but we do not condone sending people to allegedly haunted places. We also don't condone trespassing. And what would you do when you got there anyway??
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: sli on March 06, 2011, 10:18:01 AM
Hi all

Firstly just so you know the whole of the Prince Henry area is under development and there is no access to the old hospital site. The old hospital is fenced off and there is a security guard with a very large and loud dog on site 24/7. We had a good chat to the guard and he stated that in the 2 yrs he has worked there he has never seen heard or experienced anything unusual.

The site is quite decrepit with broken windows and busted doors flapping in the sea breezes. personally only felt uncomfortable around the stairwell tower on the south side, facing the sea, of the newer brick part of the hospital.

I have also included some pictures of the headland cemetery close by, it was extremely peaceful. Though I can understand that a night visit may be an assault on the senses with sounds of the sea, the  sandstone cliffs and the animals to contend with (it is all NP area). I was disappointed to see how neglected the area was... :-[

Hope you all enjoy and be careful around theses areas as there are many drops off cliffs which are hard to see.

Enjoy

Stew


http://www.flickr.com/photos/21084255@N08/5500747080/


 
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Georgous Granny on March 06, 2011, 09:58:50 PM
My family and I went on a late night drive and ended up at the hospital about 21/2 years ago. There is a visitors part where you can tour and see some of the old buildings on a Monday. Last time I checked you can still do the tour. Its a national landmark and will be preserved, not pulled down.
 The night we ended up there, on the way to Lapa, the guard was happy just to watch us drive around.
Definately think that noone should just go and 'help themselves'.
But I do think that some of the tours that are around really suck if you want to experience for yourself and not be 'told' what is around.
just my 2 bobs worth
Title: Re: Prince Henry Hospital Little Bay
Post by: Salt Breeze on March 07, 2011, 08:24:34 AM
Thanks for posting the photos sli.   It does look like a peaceful old cemetery.  Your pics of the buildings are great too.  (It's amazing how vandals find pleasure in smashing windows.)
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