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Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« on: April 21, 2018, 12:42:13 AM »
Victoria is not only place that has an alleged haunted TAFE Collage?

Liverpool Tafe college is allegedly haunted by a young girl in white? Haunting the cellar area of the oldest part of the Tafe dating back to 1825.

Originally the building was a convict built hospital than was re purposed over the years into various roles. One was poor house, at one time an asylums for destitute poor. Eventual being converted into part of the Tafe college.

Is the haunting just an urban legend or is there some thing more intriguing lucking in the history of the place.

Old Kanacki bad back and all have to .....pardon the pun dig a little deeper into the collage buildings past?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 12:54:36 AM »
Digging a little deeper in history.

The original Liverpool Hospital was built in 1813. Governor Lachlan Macquarie had officially founded the town of Liverpool in 1810 and ordered the building of a brick hospital to house 30 patients and a residence for the assistant surgeon. By 1821 Macquarie had plans to build a new hospital drawn up by his ex-convict architect Francis Greenway and work commenced in 1822. The building was completed in early 1830 and is now known as Block B, the centre wing of the U-shaped building that contains the bell tower.  The original hospital was later demolished.

From 1830 – 1836 Block B was used as a hospital principally to care for sick convicts.  The existence of the hospital stimulated the growth and the spread of the settlement.  By 1832 patients of the hospital included convicts from as far away as the Goulburn Plains.  There were no kitchen facilities and the northern end of the basement, now known as the dungeon, was the only bathing room.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 01:01:58 AM »
After 1836 the hospital was transferred to the control of the military and apparently used as a military hospital and barracks.  In 1841 Patrick Hill became the first Assistant Surgeon and was granted land to the east of the site and built his house in 1827.  (The Railway Commission purchased the house and land in 1856 to extend the railway to Liverpool).

The military vacated the site around the mid 1840s and the winding down of the convict system meant that the district could no longer support such a large hospital.  The hospital became vacant in the late 1840s.

In 1852 the government granted use of the building, together with £525, to the Benevolent Society of New South Wales for an asylum for the sick and aged. An 1850s plan shows, as well as Block B, a building to the south of Block B that ran east-west, (since demolished), and two gatehouses inside the main entrance, which may have been erected when the northern and southern wings were constructed in the 1860s or early 1870s, and exist today as Block S and Block T.
In 1862 the government took control of the premises and its 403 residents.  The increasing rate of admissions led, in 1866, to tenders for an additional wing.  The northern wing, now Block A, was completed in 1867 at a cost of £4,505 ($9,010).  The southern wing, now Block C, appears to have been commenced in 1873 and completed in 1874 at a cost of £5,567/7/4 ($11,135).  The balconies facing the courtyard on Blocks A and C were built in the late 1890s.

To compensate for the resumption of the south-east corner of the site the Railway Commission built Block E in or before 1873 for use as a dining room.  Block G was erected by 1882 and served as a washhouse.  Between 1878 and 1909 its size doubled and the verandah covering 3 sides and the roof lanterns were added.  Block Y was built as a morgue about 1901 but may predate this first reference of its existence.  A similar building to the right side of the driveway was the Chief Attendant Building, now Block Z, and is also first referred to in 1901 but may predate this.

Block F was built between 1907 (when the old kitchen was removed) and 1911.  It was described as the “new laundry buildings” and the “new kitchen”.  A painted sign, though faded, survives on the western verandah which states “Admissions 8:30am”.  Block D was first noted in 1915 as a “swab store” whilst Block X, a small cottage between the morgue (Block Y) and Block C was recorded as a “ladies waiting room”.

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 12:05:26 AM »
In 1918 the Government Asylum became a State Hospital and Asylum and remained so until the Health Department vacated the site in 1958.  The buildings were then renovated for use as a TAFE college and classes were first held in early 1960.  The Minister for Education, E. Wetherell officially opened the site on July 10th, 1961.

Block J was not in existence in 1941 but appeared in a 1961 survey.  In 1960 the building became the teaching and staff area for secretarial studies.  The canteen and dining room later occupied the area until a new canteen was built in Block H adjoining Block J on its western side in 1993.  Block J now houses the Adult Basic Education section.  Block K was built in 1975 for TAFE purposes and is predominantly used by the Administration Studies, Maths and Science sections and has a number of computer rooms.

Block B was used in the 1960s for College Administration - the Principal’s office and classrooms on the ground floor whilst the first floor contained classrooms.  It has the same basic functions today.  Block A housed the Carpentry and Joinery school on the first floor and Fitting and Machining classes on the ground floor and classrooms on the first floor.  Today the Library occupies the whole of the ground floor, and classrooms and the offices of the General Studies staff and an Individual Learning Centre occupy the first floor.

Block C was used for Accountancy classes on the ground floor and dressmaking occupied the first – Accountancy and Business Studies staff rooms and classrooms now occupy the first floor whilst the Counsellors’ office, English Language and Humanities staff rooms occupy the ground floor.


Block E was modernised and extended in 1997 for its current use in Hairdressing classrooms and staff offices.  In 1960 TAFE converted Block G to a welding workshop though it is still referred to as the “stores building”.  The Beauty Therapy section now  occupies Block F.

Block D is currently the first aid room and general store.  Block W and Block Y are now the gardener’s storage rooms, Block N houses the Maintenance Officer and Block Z is now used as an office by the Aboriginal Coordinator.

The former Liverpool Hospital complex is of State significance as one of the oldest, substantially intact early colonial hospital complexes in Australia.  Built by convict labour, the main 1820’s Colonial Georgian building is considered one of the finest colonial buildings remaining in Australia and the surviving complex of buildings, from the hospital period, are a fine representation of the high standard of workmanship carried out by these convict labour gangs.  Convict labour was also used to construct the Gate Keeper’s Cottages and the brick wall that continue to encircle much of the complex.

The former hospital is State significant for its long standing continuous history of servicing the health needs of, first convicts and then the wider Liverpool community from 1810 to 1958.  As well as convict association, Liverpool Hospital also has associations with Governors Lachlan Macquarie, Sir Thomas Brisbane and Sir Ralph Darling and the civil Architects, Francis Greenway (Block B), Edmund Blacket (Blocks A & C) and W.L. Vernon (Block F).

The presence of significant in situ convict era archaeology could reveal evidence of how Liverpool and the hospital developed in the early colonial period, as well as the techniques and materials used by the convict labour gangs.  The presence of this pre 1850 archaeology is rare in NSW.

Having State heritage significance for its historic, associative, aesthetic, social, research, rarity and representative values, there are few sites around Australia that could be comparable to the former Liverpool Hospital complex.

Richard Baker  did excellent research on the history of Liverpool Tafe as mentioned above.

But what of the alleged haunting?

The place has certainly had a long history.

Kanacki had to find out more....

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 12:20:38 AM »
Once such haunting is apparently in K Block

Some people have reported a strange apparition of lady in white.  The alleged ghost that is sometimes seen slowly hovers down the corridors. Dressed in all-white, the figure probably belongs to a former student of the educational centre  a women by the name of Helen Rose?

A death? Murder, suicide or urban myth? I let others decide

The following photograph below is alleged to be the nocturnal spiritual visitor to k block?

Was it the ghost of Helen Rose?

Who was she?

What was her story?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 12:41:17 AM »
Regardless of the history Block K was built in 1975 for TAFE purposes and is predominantly used by the Administration Studies, Maths and Science sections and has a number of computer rooms.

So in effect it this site was haunted. The alleged spectre may of been from an era post 1975? And not particularly connected to the convict past or asylum hospital era?

Ian Bennett Morrison was allegedly the medium who declared the identity of this alleged ghost was Helen Rose? Who was she?

Old Kanacki the curious creature he is had to dig deeper....

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2018, 01:04:10 AM »
Another account gave a story of paranormal activity in B block?

Shier account was below in their own words below.

I was talking to someone that used to attend Liverpool Tafe someone that does not believe in spirits and all that stuff, and she told me that on one particular night they were waiting for a classmate when all of a sudden they heard hey footsteps and so the teacher went to open the door and as she did there was no one there yet the whole class clearly heard the heavy footsteps of the mysterious stranger.

Another incident is that on another particular day while in class the pupils felt a cold chill come over them yet the windows and doors were closed and then they see to the bookshelf that the folders were falling as if someone was pulling them out one by one, and this time the whole class did FREAK out.

An Incident that happened to me that I can report Is that while sitting outside of B Block ink fell on my folder an the pattern or Image created was the exact sketch that was firstly used by Francis Greenway.  I hear that this place is haunted and by the spirits that are still around.

Are the students being haunted or connecting things with natural explanations into some thing paranormal in light of the sinister history of the place?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2018, 01:38:42 AM »
The last few years the collage has been a potshot of paranormal investigation.

But is there anymore to discover the identity of this alleged ghost or ghosts?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 10:25:11 PM »
It seems the Tafe college has experienced in last few years visit by ghost hunters. But to in what effect their researchers have achieved?

Is there any history we could find that may bring to light the identities of such alleged spirits haunting the old Tafe collage?

Kanacki curious as ever dug a little deeper.....

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 11:49:40 PM »
My apologies old Kanacki got a little side tracked....

Digging deeper into the history...

The original stone convict hospital. One notable death on Monday 25th June 1838 was a convict called Thomas day who had been drinking with eleven other convicts at a sly grog house in Liverpool. It was the home of Stephen Edwards. The night went well with drinking and singing. But on returning home there was an altercation between Thomas Day and another convict by the name of John Jones both was incredibly drunk on over proof grog. Jones ended up beating day with stick so ferociously that blood and hair from Day stuck to the stick.

Day was conveyed to Liverpool Hospital where Day lingered for a few days and eventually died. His body was dissected in the South Wing of the hospital and it was found the brain inside his skull had several hemorrhages from wounds revived from beating Day got while he was drunk..

Had Day not realized he had died because of his drunken state? Does his presence still haunt the old tafe?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 10:31:42 AM »
KANACKI, a well researched and very interesting conundrem:

Are we looking at one or two spirits?

1. The first being a "female" spirit in K Block, namely former student of the educational centre  a women by the name of "Helen Rose"!!, and

2. The other being a Convict named Thomas Day who, after a "Drunken Fight" with another Convict, passed away on Monday 25 June 1838.

It appears that we need to identify whether there is one or two spirits first, then having completed this task, try and aid the spirit(s) to passover.

Sounds easy, but may be difficult.

It should be remembered that throughout history hospitals have always used various forms of nightgowns, so it maybe only one spirit, Thomas Day??
 
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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2018, 09:25:52 PM »
Hello Simon

I agree it may not be easy as there has been more fatalities at the site over history of site.

There was apparently at least two suicides when the hospital was used as a asylum. However one could assume that suicides would of been determined to pass on, and not linger on as ghost in the place they most likely detested.

Yet we need to dig deeper into the history.

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 12:14:54 PM »
Hello KANACKI,

I agree that if more information was available it could help in getting a more accurate state of Liverpool TAFE over the years, although you have certainly already provided a great deal of information in your first Post.

In terms of the Suicides in the Asylum, yes, these spirits would Passover very quickly.
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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2018, 09:36:55 AM »
Hello Simon

I guess if you voluntary commit suicide you not intending to hang around?

Unless in throes of death the victims has second thoughts and decides maybe its not a good idea?

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Re: Haunted Liverpool TAFE; Liverpool Nsw
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2018, 11:05:59 AM »
KANACKI, quite correct; how many suicides have indeed changed their minds, but at a point where there is no turning back.

This raises another question, do these Spirits believe that they succeeded to stop their suicide and were, indeed, still alive??

Interesting point you make KANACKI.
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