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Title: Ghosts of our Pioneers AVAILABLE NOW!
Post by: Christine on September 03, 2011, 06:32:50 PM
We are pleased to announce that Ghosts of our Pioneers is currently at the printers! SHould be available for sale in aprx 6 weeks time.

AFter 3 years of collaboration between author Mary Broadhurst and Paranormal Australia's very own Spookspotters Paranormal Research, the book is completed!

Mary writes a tell all book about the team following them from investigation to investigatio, uncovering the truths behind the ghosts they stumble across and sometimes befriend.

GHOSTS OF OUR PIONEERS
Investigations into the Paranormal


Have you ever heard footsteps coming down the corridor or other noises while you’re alone in the house? Maybe you’re living with a ghost.

Have you ever wondered what happens after you die?

Have you wondered, hoped even, that there was more to death than dying?

Without prior knowledge of previous owners or happenings, a team of mediums known as the Spookspotters investigate historic locations within Victoria, Australia. They interact with ghosts and obtain impressions while other team members collect scientific evidence. The information is analysed, researched, and the findings revealed—all in the pursuit to prove life after death.

The mediums share fascinating stories as they encounter pioneers who had come from all over the world and had a strong influence in Australia’s growth. But it doesn’t stop there. Other team members, who do not share the mediums’ talents, encounter things that resist logical explanations.


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We will be taking forward orders of the book and we expect the price to be between $45 and $50 a copy plus postage etc. Mary will sign your copy.

It is aprx 523 pages and is hard cover (to the best of my knowledge)

I also want to point out all the funds go to the author for her years of hard work and dedication to the book. This isn't a profit share for Spookspotters in any way.

I have read the book and it is AMAZING!!

More details to come when we have them!
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Post by: lotsakids on September 03, 2011, 07:39:26 PM
fantastic...HUGe congrats Mary...can't wait to read it.
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Post by: catseyes on September 03, 2011, 08:21:41 PM
Can I order 6 please?  Great work Mary.
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Post by: lotsakids on September 03, 2011, 08:37:07 PM
I'd like to order 2....I have been trying to work out which of my family members would be interested enough in what I do to read it...can't think of any, so will get one for me, and one spare just incase ..lol..
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on September 03, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
Looks brilliant.
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Post by: Baggy on September 03, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
congratulations everyone, how exciting.
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Post by: Christine on September 03, 2011, 11:57:57 PM
Mary is working on a page for people to purchase on her website as well. I will give her a list of orders for here as well.

I would like to send one to Sabeha as well.
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Post by: Lord Daemon on September 05, 2011, 03:42:00 AM
Well when it is ready let me know... I would like to have one in my book collection!
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Post by: Colleen on September 05, 2011, 10:32:16 AM
Yes, I would love to have one.  It will be a great read.  One for me please.
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Post by: catseyes on September 05, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
Well when it is ready let me know... I would like to have one in my book collection!

I will sign it for you, ROFL
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Post by: Lord Daemon on September 06, 2011, 12:49:09 AM
I would rather not have crayon marks in my books :D
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Post by: Lord Daemon on September 06, 2011, 12:53:35 AM
Actually CE I heard recently that you have almost finished all the books in your shelves... how many crayons did it take to colour them all in?

(Sorry CE, I'm getting in bytch practice for work tomorrow)
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Post by: Colleen on September 06, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
And what is wrong with crayons I ask.....
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Post by: catseyes on September 06, 2011, 10:19:34 AM
Actually CE I heard recently that you have almost finished all the books in your shelves... how many crayons did it take to colour them all in?

(Sorry CE, I'm getting in bytch practice for work tomorrow)

OH OH  Hands up all of us who have appeared in Marys book......oh dear LD, don't see your hand up!

Crayons taste very nice!
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Post by: Colleen on September 06, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
The red ones taste the nicest....
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Post by: Lapismoon on September 06, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
Please order me a book too! Thanks :)
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Post by: Christine on September 06, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
OH OH  Hands up all of us who have appeared in Marys book......oh dear LD, don't see your hand up!

Crayons taste very nice!

pmsl

He will no doubt make it to book 3 though! That's a book on darker stuff...
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Post by: catseyes on September 06, 2011, 02:47:46 PM
hehe but thats a year or two away.  I can lord it over him until then!
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Post by: Christine on September 06, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
Sure can!
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Post by: Lord Daemon on September 07, 2011, 11:13:50 PM
Meh...

Lord away...

I have had my own fames enough. Everyone deserves some limelight.
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Post by: deka on September 12, 2011, 05:56:22 PM
Fantastic. I would love to order a signed copy too please.

Also, apart from Mary signing the book, is it possible that the Spookspotters crew will be signing some? I'd actually love one of those. I'm a big fan of signed books!
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
lol...I am flattered! I am sure we can arrange that! Thanks Deka.
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Post by: Lord Daemon on September 12, 2011, 07:58:38 PM
Though I won't be signing it... apparently I am not in the book. :D
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Post by: catseyes on September 12, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
hehehe
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2011, 11:59:03 PM
I think you are in the book actually, but don't tell CE.
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Post by: JulieD on September 13, 2011, 02:10:53 PM
I can't wait to read it.
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Post by: Christine on September 13, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
You are in it Julie.
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Post by: Colleen on September 13, 2011, 02:34:11 PM
I will put my hand up for a signed copy from SpookSpotters as well.
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Post by: violet on September 13, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
I would love a copy especially one signed by Mary and Spookspotters! After going on the Como House tour with Christine and Mary I'll bet this book is RIGID with fascinating detail just like the tour.
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Post by: Christine on September 13, 2011, 07:40:43 PM
Yes Mary has spent 3 years writing this book and the research is amazing.
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Post by: catseyes on September 13, 2011, 07:42:15 PM
Mary is amazing!
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Post by: Christine on September 13, 2011, 07:47:55 PM
Yes she is and so is Janine. The information they find is incredible.
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Post by: violet on September 13, 2011, 08:07:29 PM
Yes Super Sleuth is a fitting title for lotsa. I am going to tell Google I know you lotsa, that'll have it pull up its socks.
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Post by: catseyes on September 13, 2011, 08:11:22 PM
Lotsa is a star!
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Post by: Christine on September 13, 2011, 08:52:15 PM
lol
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on September 13, 2011, 08:56:17 PM
It's going to be a brilliant piece of work. 
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Post by: chaney on September 19, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
I shall keep an eye out for it, sounds like a lovely read
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Post by: Christine on October 03, 2011, 03:32:44 PM
Book is due out tomorrow
http://www.broadedit.com.au/beslookingbackbooks.html
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Post by: violet on October 03, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
Exciting!
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Post by: Christine on October 03, 2011, 07:55:44 PM
I know!
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on October 03, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
May it sell out.  Repeatedly!
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Post by: Lord Daemon on October 03, 2011, 11:12:03 PM
Looking forward to reading about me.... I mean about the team and everything... yeah that's what I meant.
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Post by: catseyes on October 04, 2011, 09:17:09 AM
Make sure you keep mine for me and I will get them when I come home, please.
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Post by: Christine on October 04, 2011, 12:29:51 PM
YOu'll have to get Mary to send it CE....I won't have any copies here.
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Post by: catseyes on October 04, 2011, 01:48:33 PM
ok
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Post by: violet on October 04, 2011, 08:02:51 PM
I really would like my copy signed. What's the best way of doing this?
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Post by: Christine on October 04, 2011, 08:13:12 PM
You can contact Mary  via her website and ask her to sign it
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Post by: JulieD on October 04, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
Is there going to be a book launch?
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Post by: Christine on October 04, 2011, 11:16:24 PM
We think there will be one at Como and one at The Convent at this stage.
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Post by: violet on October 05, 2011, 08:58:51 AM
I've pre-ordered. Now I have my nose pressed against the computer screen waiting for the next step.
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Post by: Christine on October 05, 2011, 07:54:57 PM
Cool!!! I am waiting for mine too!! I am so excited.
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Post by: mareseatoats on October 16, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
Thank you to everyone for their kind words and support.

The book is now in stock and I'm currently contacting those who are interested in a copy. If you want a copy and you don't hear from me within a day then give me a shout.

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Post by: Christine on October 16, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
Hi Mary!!
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on October 16, 2011, 06:59:57 PM
Hey Mary.....

Mairzy Doats and Dozy doats and little amsy divey....   
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Post by: mareseatoats on October 16, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
Hi!

Yes, that's right, that's what it means.

I grew up hearing that tune, kind of grew on me ... like mould.


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Post by: lotsakids on October 16, 2011, 08:40:21 PM
hiya mary..welcome to the dark side.. :o
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on October 16, 2011, 09:21:03 PM
:) It's nice to know of people who still appreciate some of the past's (stranger) treasures :)
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Post by: catseyes on October 17, 2011, 01:09:26 AM
Hey Mary.....

Mairzy Doats and Dozy doats and little amsy divey....   


It goes...

Mares eat oats and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy.  Kids will eat ivy too, wouldn't you?
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Post by: Colleen on October 17, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
Hi Mary
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Post by: violet on October 17, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
I'm so looking forward to my book--thanks for your message Mary. Lovely to see you here :)
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Post by: lotsakids on October 17, 2011, 04:14:48 PM
IGOTMYBOOKIGOTMYBOOKIGOTMYBOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now if only I could lock myself away for a few hours by myself so I could read it uninterrupted...sigh...

Thank you Mary!
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Post by: Christine on October 17, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
YOUGOTYOURBOOKYOUGOTYOURBOOKYOUGOTYOURBOOKYOUGOTYOURBOOKYOUGOTYOURBOOK!!!!!!!
HOw exciting. Did you see your little acknowledgment? Did the kids see it?
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Post by: mareseatoats on October 17, 2011, 06:31:40 PM
Hi all!

My pleasure, hope you like it. Umm, would it be wrong to suggest locking the kids up?


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Post by: Christine on October 17, 2011, 06:37:14 PM
Lock em up!
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Post by: lotsakids on October 17, 2011, 07:53:11 PM
at this point i'd like to line them all up and shoot them...lol..

yes i did see that lovely little snippet...and the kids arent interested... :(
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Post by: Christine on October 17, 2011, 10:43:20 PM
Those darn kids, they should be stoked their mum has contributed to the project.
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on October 17, 2011, 10:52:27 PM
Gratitude never comes when you look for it.
(or at any other time neither!)
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Post by: GaryTheDemon on October 17, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
or possibly NOR at any other time neither...

(and bollocks to the i before e rule that clearly only applies when you are not looking)
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Post by: catseyes on October 18, 2011, 03:06:36 AM
I wish I could be home organizing my book!   I want to see....
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Post by: violet on October 18, 2011, 10:12:50 AM
lotsa I am ENVIOUS, I want my book! But I spose some privileges are deserved by those who actually helped create the book with all the amazing work they do. Humph.
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Post by: Christine on October 18, 2011, 12:02:59 PM
rofl
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Post by: deka on October 24, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
Wow, very exciting!!! Thanks for the PM Mary, I've replied now. :)

I would still absolutely love a signed copy (if Mary and the Spookspotter team are happy to do so) so am happy to wait, but very excited to read the book! :)
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Post by: Christine on October 31, 2011, 12:17:39 PM
Some of us signed for you yesterday Deka.
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Post by: Lord Daemon on October 31, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
I have begun by reading the good bits first... really hard going through and finding my name, but I'm committed and have a highlighter!
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Post by: Christine on November 01, 2011, 11:41:52 AM
ROFL....
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Post by: indigo63 on November 01, 2011, 05:12:20 PM
I am interested in getting a copy of the book, but cant find how to...... help
indigo
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Post by: Christine on November 01, 2011, 05:51:21 PM
http://www.broadedit.com.au/beslookingbackbooks.html

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ghosts-Our-Pioneers-Investigations-into-Paranormal-/180742835414?pt=AU_Non_Fiction_Books_2&hash=item2a151cccd6

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Post by: GaryTheDemon on November 01, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Apparently, some copies are haunted ...
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Post by: indigo63 on November 01, 2011, 07:44:52 PM
Thanks Christine - I have a copy on its way to me  :) 
indigo
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Post by: Christine on November 01, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
That's great Indigo. Thanks for supporting Marys book.
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Post by: indigo63 on November 02, 2011, 04:15:22 PM
Hi Christine,
Im very happy to help out. As an avid reader, I am always looking for new books.
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Post by: indigo63 on November 04, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
My copy of Ghosts of Our Pioneers arrived today - YAY - so of course I have started it.
 
So much work has obviously gone in to both the investigations and the research of the places them self - both by Mary and the investigating teams . I am finding it extremely interesting.

It is also great to hear about places I know of and that these places are no too far away from me. I knew some one that had worked in J Ward, and had a friend who came from Great Western. I have been to Daylesford but not the Convent.

I am looking forward to the Wallhalla chapters - my brother and sis-in- law  and their kids go there regularly and have a cabin near by. I know they will be interested in that part of the book.  I have been there once myself, a long time ago.  I will have to be a bit "pushyer" in their invitation of taking me there.
bb, indigo
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Post by: Christine on November 04, 2011, 05:21:01 PM
We are very lucky with the places we go to. They are amazing.
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Post by: catseyes on November 04, 2011, 05:26:26 PM
Glad you are enjoying the book.
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Post by: deka on November 04, 2011, 06:47:09 PM
Some of us signed for you yesterday Deka.

Thank you! :)  I can't wait to immerse myself in the book.
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Post by: Colleen on January 20, 2012, 11:10:17 AM
I have just finished reading this book.  Wow, what a book.  I could not put it down.  It is amazing.  Oh, how I wish I could have been at all of
these investigations.  I loved the history it told as well as the individual stories as received on the investigations.  I love anything
historic and this book has it all.  It was amazing to read about the characters depicted and what they felt they needed to express and pass on
while they were communicating with the team.  This is just so phenomenal.  What an insight.  I loved every little word.  Maybe one day I
can contribute something, anything and be included in an investigation to an historic property, please, one day, I would love that......Congratulations to everyone concerned and well done.  This book will be readily available to anyone who wants to read about the paranormal at the b and b we are building.  I have learnt so much about the properties mentioned and the insight gained is priceless.  Once again, congratulations to all concerned.
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Post by: Christine on January 20, 2012, 09:03:38 PM
I am glad you liked it Colleen!!
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Post by: mareseatoats on January 26, 2012, 03:12:13 PM
Hello Colleen,
I'm delighted you enjoyed reading the book. Thank you for your kind words.

Would you mind if I use it as a testimonial on my website? If it's not then that's okay.

Christine, is that okay with you?

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Post by: MadMatty on January 26, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Just ordered our copy online - can't wait to read it!
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Post by: Christine on January 26, 2012, 09:05:40 PM
Yes of course it's ok with me Mary! Thanks!

Hope you enjoy the book Mad Matty.
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Post by: deka on January 28, 2012, 07:12:48 PM
Well it's been a slow read for me... why does life insist on getting in the way of a good read??? :)

Really, really enjoying the book so far. I've found the investigations to be quite interesting and the way Mary has written them from a real 'fly-on-the-wall' perspective is just fantastic. I've also really loved the history side of things, though some of the small errors in dates and ages in the book do nag away at me.

I am finding myself asking questions here and there throughout the book too, and I love it when a book (or even a movie) has me doing that, it means I'm right into it. :)

Was really quite interested in the coffin at Como too so did a quick search as this is similar to something else I've just been looking into. There were of course quite a number of funerals that commenced journey from Como, one of them was a man named Ewan, a valued servant for 34 years, which is a very long time!  Could the name William which was heard, have been Ewan? The name is very close, although the book seems to settle on the fact that it was likely Ethel's casket due to the mourners, etc. Very fascinating.

Hoping to read some more tonight.
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Post by: Christine on January 28, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
No, a servants coffin wouldn't have been in the Morning Room the way this one was.

When you mention "some of the small errors in dates and ages" what dates etc do you think are incorrect?
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Post by: deka on January 29, 2012, 11:59:14 AM
Only small confusions Christine, you might be able to help me make sense of them. eg on Page 84 mention is made of the students being taught in the area known as the Altar Bar in the 1980's but earlier in the book reference is made to how the convent closed as a school in 1973. Or was this during the time of it being a Community Centre? It isn't really clear, and the mention of Mrgt Turner being a lay teacher doesn't really help clarify it as lay teachers also were also used to come in and assist nuns in certain areas of academia (perhaps not at Daylesford though?).

As a family historian I have a particular interest that dates and ages being written as fact should flow, so in the Como chapter it says that George & Elizabeth (nee Peters) Armytage married in Hobart in 1818. The paragraph that follows the table of their children then goes on to say that George died in 1862, with his wife Elizabeth following him in 1876 at 51yrs. So if Elizabeth was aged 51 when she died in 1876 that means she had to have been born circa 1825. How can that be when she was supposed to have been married in 1818? And I checked the table in the book to see if the George referred to was their son, and therefore a generation out, but his wife's name is given as Louise. So who is the Elizabeth, wife of George, who died in 1876 at 51yrs?

The Vic Pioneers Index BDM CD does however have an Elizabeth Armytage, daughter of Richard Peters & Elizabeth Hughes, who died in 1874 at the age of 72yrs. This would make her born circa 1802, which makes her able to be married off at the age of 16 in 1818. Could this actually be George's wife?

Also not surprising at all that George wed the daughter of a convict. In the early days of VDL the men vastly outnumbered the women, so as long as Elizabeth was the daughter of a convict, and not a convict herself, the marriage would have been more easily accepted. Particularly if Elizabeth was perhaps a Currency Lass.

And the table of George & Elizabeth's children states that Charles Henry Arymtage died aged 51 years, then reference is made twice later that he did aged 52 years. Also Ellen Sinclair Tuckwell's age at death is given as 16, but death notices in the papers at the time give her age as 15yrs. The BDM index states 16 so I wonder if it was a possible transcription error? I do know that the BDM's are full of them and everything has to be cross-checked with other sources where possible. I was told many years ago that the people who were employed to do the transcriptions for the database had little to no interest in history, let alone family history. It's a pity really. I spent 2 years looking for my great-great-great-grandmother's death which I finally located under a name which had been sloppily transcribed. Yet the certificate is very clear to read and the letters of her surname were well defined... go figure.

I'm also having a problem with the Gardener's recollection of Bertram Armytage committing suicide at Como. Perhaps the reason his imprint is so strong is because his body was brought to Como after his death, and it is from here that the funeral procession commenced on its way to Boroondara? So the sense of mourning his death would, you'd think, be strong at Como, especially a death by suicide with lots of unanswered questions. I'm not convinced that this information was "witheld from the public at the time" but do find it possible that the gardener's recollections of an event that happened before his employ may have been somewhat askew. Who knows how second or third hand his information was? Was it told to him by someone who was there at the time? Or by someone who was told by someone who was told by someone who was there? It's all speculative really, but I do applaud the picking up of the circumstances surrounding his death.

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Post by: deka on January 29, 2012, 12:41:43 PM
Oh and I should mention that I simply and absolutely cannot resist family jigsaws! :) I once re-wrote the ending to my great-great-great-great-grandfather's story after refusing to give up and accept that he died in a pauper's home for ex-convicts in Tas. A matchable name with a death date but no other identifying cross-checkable details didn't sit well with me and I had a feeling there was so much more. There were 3 other distant rellies who I met during my researching who had put together the family tree and they told me that they had exhausted all avenues and that their research was correct. One had even compiled it into a written dossier that was being distributed within the family as 'fact'... she had to tear it up and re-write it once I found our ex-convict had moved to Vic and became very successful, re-married and lived to a ripe old age with considerable assets to his name, far from the destitute pauper in Tas who simply shared his name.

I'm like a bull with a red rag when it comes to this sort of stuff... 17yrs of experience as a researcher (both paid and for my own pleasure) has taught me to never leave a stone unturned.

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Post by: deka on January 29, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Particularly if Elizabeth was perhaps a Currency Lass.

Sorry, that should have read "was perhaps not a Currency Lass". Those born in the Mother Country were considered to be of a slightly superior standing than Currency Lads and Lasses often regardless of their parentage.
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Post by: Christine on January 29, 2012, 04:56:53 PM
To admit to a suicide in a family of that stature, in a home of that stature would have been a big blight on both the property and the family. I think it is all together likely it was covered up. we found one document that listed his death at South Yarra. Sorry but the Melbourne Club is not in South yarra by any stretch of the imagination. Also I have been to TMC 3 times, and I have never picked up a shooting death there. I would usually always pick that sort of death up.
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Post by: MadMatty on January 29, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
Our copy of the book is in the mail now - can't wait to read it!
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Post by: deka on January 29, 2012, 07:14:09 PM
To admit to a suicide in a family of that stature, in a home of that stature would have been a big blight on both the property and the family. I think it is all together likely it was covered up. we found one document that listed his death at South Yarra. Sorry but the Melbourne Club is not in South yarra by any stretch of the imagination. Also I have been to TMC 3 times, and I have never picked up a shooting death there. I would usually always pick that sort of death up.

You raise a very good point Christine and I agree that in a family such as the Armytages a suicide would simply not do!! What document is it that lists Bertram with a South Yarra death? Did you get a copy of the inquest? It would be really interesting to see who gave evidence at the inquest to see if those people were tightly connected with the Armytages.

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Post by: deka on January 29, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Also I have been to TMC 3 times, and I have never picked up a shooting death there. I would usually always pick that sort of death up.

Okay here's something I've just been pondering... The Argus reported on the 14th Mar 1910 that Betram was staying at the Menzie's Hotel having returned from London some 6wks earlier. On the Saturday afternoon of his death Bertram left the Menzie's Hotel and went to the Melbourne Club with the intention of staying there. A few hours later he was dead.

Christine, following your path of Bertram dying at Como, and given that the Menzies Hotel attendants interviewed the following day that Bertram had definitely left the Hotel Saturday afternoon, it seems more than possible that he went to Como and not The Melbourne Club afterall. The Menzies Hotel staff interviewed that he often was seen pacing around in a lonely hopeless fashion, and in a state such as this it's not unusual for the sufferer to seek out family and familiar surrounding to feel 'connected' to the world again.

So a Menzies Hotel guest checks out and ends up dead several hours later. Of course the Menzies staff are going to be all abuzz at how he had only just left their lodgings, so... quick.. we now have a suicide of a member of a very well-to-do family, and we have to quickly come up with a place of death that isn't the family bolthole. Pull a few strings, call in a few favours, possibly even throw some pounds around, and we come up with The Melbourne Club. Anything's possible I guess.
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Post by: Christine on January 29, 2012, 09:42:46 PM
Anything certainly is possible. Especially when you are well connected and want to protect your family etc.

There are other reasons we think the death occured at Como as well, which came to light after the book was sent to publishers so aren't in it.

They have to do with a couple of things we witnessed through the ghosts in the house.

Back to the coffin though, it couldn't have been Ethels as it was an adults coffin, hers would have been much smaller.
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Post by: Colleen on January 30, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
It's certainly ok with me Mary.  I would be pleased.
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Post by: violet on January 30, 2012, 09:36:33 AM
deka your attention to detail is extraordinary. As someone who is reliably baffled by the space-time continuum (I use a spreadsheet for my book plot) I'm amazed.
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Post by: mareseatoats on January 30, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
Thank you Deka for your interest in the book. I'm a bit time sensitive at the moment, but I'll try to answer your questions. Forgive me if I forget any.

As I'm sure you know, dates can be located from online searches and databases, libraries, reference materials, Government databases including BDM, family journals, and so on. I agree, you have to be very careful to check the details from multiple sources especially considering some are not from authorised sources. Some times you're lucky and they match, but usually they don't for a number of reasons. It's okay when doing family histories that you include multiple details for a single fact  (coming from different resources) especially with the great software that is available these days. It makes it so much easier. Unfortunately, it's a bit hard to do it for a mainstream publication. Those who are not interested in history will get fed up and pick up something else to read instead; therefore, a main idea has to cover the majority of the work. This process is the normal procedure for editing. If you flip to page 520, there is a paragraph explaining that the when dates from multiple sources conflicted against each other then the most likely one was used.

The dates mostly came from government records and were checked against original BDM certificates. In relation to Como House, things a lot more interesting because these contradicted the National Trust's records greatly. After querying this, it turns out that one of the Armytage girls decided to write a journal and bit of a family history and that's where the National Trust had their details. A little more probing turn out that she started recording these facts in her golden years and was using her memory. A decision had to be made and so it led to the government records guidelines. These dates were presented to the National Trust for acceptance.

The convent at Daylesford did close its doors as a school in 1973 and was later a community centre. These dates actually came from The Convent Gallery and from the Presentation Sisters own records and were confirmed with other sources. Some people think it was still a school later than 1973 because they can remember being there, but all records show this was the correct date.   

Getting back to Como, there were a few people who died on the property and if they were servants then they actually died in Como Lodge (the servants quarters). Not all servants were even allowed in the main house. As Christine pointed out, there was far more information uncovered from Como due to ghost tours and other visits there. Not all information could be included otherwise I'd still be writing and the book would be twice as big. We now believe the coffin actually belonged to Charles Armytage. There were other things uncovered that does make more and more sense that Bertram died at Como House. I'm considering putting in a 'What we know now' chapter in the follow-up book.

I hope that helps clear a few things up. Thank you again for taking such a keen interest in it.  :)

To Colleen and Christine,

Thank you for your permission.

I really must rush off, I have a tone of work and the days are galloping away from me.

To all: be well, be happy!

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Post by: Lapismoon on February 01, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
I think this is a fascinating research re Bertram and he must have been so affected by his experiences away from home I feel that when he returned home it was "unreal" fitting back in. Society seemed to be so constrained and inflexible to me. I really enjoyed reading this book and I have several family members waiting to read my copy.
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Post by: Christine on February 01, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
Thanks LM
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Post by: MadMatty on February 05, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
The concept of an adventurer struggling to fit back in to normal society, in particular Bertram's history, is not hard to believe at all.  When we are exposed to such experiences it is hard to go back.  I have word with former prisoners who have great difficulty fitting back into "normal society".  Goodness - we all know what it's like trying to go back to work just after a holiday! Imagine the extremes of nature and its wilderness, thousands of miles from civilisation!  I really felt for Bertram when reading his story!
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Post by: Christine on February 05, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Me too.
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Post by: catseyes on February 05, 2012, 09:06:18 PM
From the energies I have picked up at Como, it is my belief that he was bi polar.
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Post by: Colleen on February 06, 2012, 08:41:37 AM
It must have been really awful for him.  Back in those days, I imagine any depression would try to be hidden.  You would be more likely to be put in an asylum.  No wonder he was driven to his end like that.  It would have been unimaginable horror for him.
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Post by: MadMatty on February 06, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Having suffered for many years with a mental illness (now recovered) and being trained as a counsellor, I can really empathise and sympathise with anyone who had such an illness back in those times.  Even today, with so much knowledge and research and so many types of treatment available, sufferers of a mental illness often feel alone and frightened.  To have suffered such an illness back in the 1800s when little was known about such things (and people still thought you caught lunacy from the moon) it must have been very frightening for Bertram.  What a horrible, horrible illness to experience at any time let alone then.  I recall those moments of sadness when thinking you are the only person who feels like this, and that it's because of something inherently wrong within yourself!  I hope, above all things, that Bertram found peace.
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Post by: Christine on February 06, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
I really like Bertram. He seems like a nice man.
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Post by: catseyes on February 06, 2012, 08:09:00 PM
I think so too
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Post by: MadMatty on February 06, 2012, 08:09:04 PM
Hopefully I'll get to meet him when we visit Como House!
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Post by: deka on March 10, 2012, 12:20:16 PM
Thanks so much for your fantastic reply mares. Sorry I have taken so long to reply, but things haven't quite been going to plan for me lately!! Sorted out now I think and hopefully I will be able to spend a little more time on the forum.

As Christine pointed out, there was far more information uncovered from Como due to ghost tours and other visits there. Not all information could be included otherwise I'd still be writing and the book would be twice as big. We now believe the coffin actually belonged to Charles Armytage. There were other things uncovered that does make more and more sense that Bertram died at Como House. I'm considering putting in a 'What we know now' chapter in the follow-up book.

That would be fantastic!!! I'm amazed at just how much Bertram seems to have struck a chord with everyone, myself included. I'm still quite interested in what document it was that mentions Bertrams death at South Yarra. Was it mentioned in the inquest? There really does seem to be more to his story, for sure.

I would really, really love to read a 'what we know now' chapter. How far away is the follow up book? ;) (can you tell I'm keen??!)

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Post by: Christine on March 10, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Book 2 is half written.
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Post by: catseyes on March 10, 2012, 06:48:11 PM
YES!!
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Post by: MadMatty on March 10, 2012, 06:59:52 PM
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Christine on March 10, 2012, 09:27:49 PM
There will be follow ups in it as well.

Mary has also started planning a book on some of the 'darker' aspects of this work.
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Post by: MadMatty on March 11, 2012, 04:58:49 PM
Oh yes that is going to be sweet!
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Post by: Lord Daemon on March 11, 2012, 06:13:14 PM
Most of the investigations are darker... we tend not to have the lights on! Boom Boom!
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Post by: Christine on March 11, 2012, 06:58:30 PM
lol
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Post by: Colleen on March 13, 2012, 09:47:02 AM
 I can't wait for the 2nd book. 
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Post by: violet on March 28, 2012, 06:12:23 PM
After taking an hour to park I missed getting my signed copy at the French Festival at Como House. Finally I have ordered one from Mary's website so my entertainment envy can stop! I've requested Mary's autograph and I hope I'll catch up with the book characters sometime soon, with a pen!
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Post by: Christine on March 29, 2012, 01:25:14 PM
Cool, I hadn't realised you hadn't read it  yet Violet.
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Post by: violet on March 29, 2012, 02:43:31 PM
I am looking forward to reading it at last!
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Post by: Colleen on March 30, 2012, 09:50:06 AM
Oh Violet, it is fantastic.  Enjoy every word and every moment.....
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Post by: violet on April 13, 2012, 04:32:41 PM
I'm enjoying Ghost of Our Pioneers very much. The writing is clearly a labour of love. It's special to read something so real, and vibrant with friendship. It's also great fun being with the Spookspotters while they work. Better than reality television lol
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Post by: Christine on April 13, 2012, 05:35:06 PM
lol, glad you like it Violet.
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Post by: haunteddownunder on August 11, 2012, 07:55:00 AM
I highly recommend this book, the research undertaken is fantastic
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Post by: Christine on August 11, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
Thanks for that Rusty.
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2012, 02:04:37 PM
Just an update, the book is still selling very well. The Convent just ordered another 10 copies!
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Post by: Colleen on September 12, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
Woohooo....
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2012, 04:48:39 PM
For the next couple of weeks only the book is on sale.

http://www.broadedit.com.au/beslookingbackbooks.html
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Post by: catseyes on September 12, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
Whens the next book due C
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2012, 06:47:38 PM
No idea. It will probably be a couple of years yet.
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Post by: Baggy on September 12, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Just tried to order a copy but it wouldn't let me access Paypal, not sure if the problem is with them or me. I'll try again another time
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Post by: Christine on September 12, 2012, 09:05:29 PM
That's odd.
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Post by: Baggy on September 12, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
I filled in the form & submitted it as per instructions then when I clicked the Paypal button I got this message
Access Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://www.paypal.com.au/cgi-bin/webscr" on this server.
Reference #18.9fcd387d.1347450371.57eed5d8
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Post by: Craziwolf on September 12, 2012, 11:11:41 PM
This looks really good, when i get a few extra dollars in my wallet I will make sure to purchase a copy. How about getting them signed? :D
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Post by: Christine on September 13, 2012, 02:38:58 PM
You might need to email Mary about that Baggy.

Craziwolf, maybe ask Mary if she has any signed copies left. we signed a bunch of them. Alternately she can sign them, she is one of our researchers. The book was how we recruited her. She started working with us and we offered her a spot on the team.
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Post by: Craziwolf on September 13, 2012, 07:48:44 PM
I would say that would have been an oppotunity that would be hard to pass up :)

I will contact here once I have a bit of free money! At the moment it's a but of a struggle because I was off work for 6 weeks with a broken ankle and now my faience is off work because of a car accident.

Ass such is life :)
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Post by: Baggy on September 26, 2012, 12:46:09 AM
My copy arrived today :)
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Post by: Christine on September 26, 2012, 11:09:04 PM
Woohoo!!
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